John Lundberg, Wil Russell, and Rod Dickinson interviewed in 1997, for the Croppies documentary. These sequences later appeared in their entirety in Matthew Williams’ Circlemakers documentary (from where they are taken here). It’s good to see people talk with intelligence and insight on circle making. Don’t watch Circlemaker TV; watch these instead.
The latest post from Report A Crop Circle Formation Exposed is worth quoting in full:
“At the end of last year I made a conscious decision not to get too involved this season. It had become tiring and thanks to the characters on RACCF, like dealing with the Jeremy Kyle Show does Crop Circles. In any event, the purpose of this page seemed to have been achieved, RACCF and those who run it had been ‘exposed’. Worse still for them Matthew Williams had taken the reins over there and what with his hypocritical, corporate stooge stance with regard to pseudonyms, the tens of thousands of bought ‘likes’ and his laughable boycott of Wiltshire was fast running the page into the ground. But Williams being Williams will always find a way to make a bloody nuisance of himself and, sure enough, this season has been no exception. I am, of course, talking about the Gary King incident, or Wellygate as our friend Miles Challett has referred to it. You’ve all seen Charles Mallett’s Skype videos with Gary and I’m equally sure that by now you’ve seen the two reply videos Williams has finally finished editing to show himself in the best light and posted on his truthseekers666 YouTube channel. Unedifying as the denouement of those videos may be they show, as Gary King claimed, the antics of a thuggish boor flying a quadcopter illegally and harassing two occupants of a crop circle who then goes on to confront and shout abuse at his victims in a car park and receive a well deserved smack in the mouth and boot in the cobblers for his pains. So much for a right to reply but if you look at his YouTube channel a third almost non sequitur video in that it refers to, but has no connection with, recent events was also posted. Entitled “A Message to Tim Carson and Others” it is an extraordinary piece and well worth a view, raising more than one point worth commenting on.
“In the video Williams makes the statement “I have not made circles since I was convicted” which was nearly 15 years ago, I believe. OK. That’s a flat lie. What’s more there are many circle makers out there who know it’s a lie. He’s made circles all over Wiltshire, including on the Carson’s land, so the real question is why circle makers who have worked with him continue to support him in this lie? Why are you doing it because if he’s lying so easily about this what else is he lying about?
“Williams goes on to say he is not violent and has never threatened anyone. Not true, in fact it’s another lie. Elsewhere I refer to an encounter in the Coronation Hall car park in Alton Barnes in which he explained to me how to disable someone with a punch to the throat. During the same conversation we discussed his recent arrest during which a policeman suffered a broken arm and the circumstances surrounding that arrest. He made the claim that it was all the fault of Shelley (his then house mate and co-presenter of the execrable CMTV) and proceeded to say if he got hold of Shelley (who had wisely scarpered) he would give her the beating she deserved. He further claimed to “hate all women” (a statement that has current relevance). Shelley had already called the police to the shared house claiming Williams had been violent towards her. At some point in among this farrago a stun gun was recovered from the premises which Williams claimed to belong to the, by now, absent Shelley. (He’s done this before btw when his ‘house-mate’ Paul Damon fled the country at the time of Williams’ arrest for circle making. The police seized computers from the shared premises and Williams has since stated that they “belonged to Damon” and that he was a “pervert” – nothing to do with him apparently.) So, police called to his house to deal with an alleged assault, stun guns on the premises and subsequently a policeman gets a broken arm whilst trying to arrest Williams. But don’t worry he’s not aggressive or violent – it’s always everybody else. Or so we’re told.
“Next we’re treated to the Williams theory on how it could possibly have come about that he has been linked with threats of violence to the Carsons. It’s all the fault of that nasty Terry R back in 2012. Of course, what a relief, it’s another one of those unhappy situations that befall Williams where one of his close associates is involved in something nefarious and in which Williams is not involved. Williams, by his own admission, was involved with Terry when it came to making the circles that appeared on Carson land that season and which he flew at the crack of dawn in his now defunct microlight before the Carsons could get the machine out to cut them. He was involved with Terry when it came to laughing about this in the Barge but a conspiracy to assault the Carsons on their own land? Goodness no, that was all that ghastly Terry and an irresponsible film crew, he would never do such a thing, violence being anathema to him. He would never have been part of that conspiracy and acted as ‘film crew in his own employ’ had Channel 4 not scuppered this scurrilous enterprise, would he, even though he knew about it? Just one thing, then. Why did he make no attempt to warn the Carsons that this plan was in the offing? OK he’s not the Carsons’ favourite person so a knock on the door may have been a bit risky but why not alert the Carsons via one of their friends or even do what most responsible members of the community would do and call the police? After all he’s quick enough to call them when it suits, isn’t he? Sadly Terry doesn’t appear to be around to give his side of the story, or even give some clarity to the allegations of his being paid to make circles by Steve Alexander. Just as an aside – look at the photos Steve got of those circles on Carsons land back in 2012. He seems to have managed to photograph not much more than some damaged formations and the roof of the Carsons’ combine. Now if he paid Terry once why on earth would he have paid him again if this was the result, particularly when Williams has the photo of the undamaged formations and is crowing all over the internet about it? More lies.
“One last thing in this already overly long post. Finally we have the admission that the cutting of formations is nothing to do with Monique Klinkenbergh and that it is the fault of Terry and the campaign against the Carsons. Finally, after years of Williams’ lies, misogyny, racism and abuse we get the admission of what he knew all along that Monique is innocent of all the dreadful accusations he has levelled against her. The last three years, therefore, have been nothing more than a hate campaign designed to drive her away, presumably because she’s committed the sins of being foreign, intelligent and, worst of all, a woman. It’s too much to hope for an apology from Williams but he may like to think again about a post artist and circlemaker Wil Russell left on RACCF recently urging him to find something else to do and leave the circles behind. It’s good advice, particularly given the way things are going. After all, what has he achieved? A collection of crop circles of very poor quality and a litany of negative events that have left him with more detractors than friends.”
Report A Crop Circle Formation and Matthew Williams persist in their claim that the reason farmers in Wiltshire are cutting out circles is down to Monique Klinkenbergh. They’ve been saying this so long they may even believe it. And it’s nonsense. Malicious, slanderous nonsense at that.
How do I know this? Ask the farmers why they are cutting circles. They’re the ones doing it. They should know.
Here’s a video interview with Tim Carson, who has farmed the land around Alton Barnes in the Vale of Pewsey since before circles first began turning up there. A great many circles have appeared in these fields since 1990 (more 120 by his estimation), and he has left them be. So why are they now being cut?
https://youtu.be/dGqmnE5g4x4 (I’ve had to put this one as a link because the YouTube settings exclude embedding)
Because the farmers in that area have had enough, basically. You’ll also note his support for Monique Klnkenbergh, and his statement that the cutting policy began before Monique’s involvement, both of which fly in the face of what Williams and RACCF are peddling. The importance of this last point cannot be underestimated. Monique’s intervention began in the summer of 2013, yet as these photos show the cutting of Wiltshire circles was already prevalent in 2012.
Woodborough Hill, June 2012. Photo by Monique Klinkenbergh.
Milk Hill, June 2012. Photo by Steve Alexander.
Wilcott, July 2012. Photo by Monique Klinkenbergh.
Lockeridge, July 2012. Photo by Monique Klinkenbergh.
Windmill Hill, July 2012. Photo by Monique Klinkenbergh.
The timeline by itself destroys the “it’s all Monique’s fault” argument.
The honesty box theft Mr Carson mentions occurred in 2009, and is covered in this article. Another likely contributing factor to circles-cutting was Matthew Williams’ circlemaker TV, which showed circle makers openly bragging of which circles they had constructed, and with a great deal of antagonism towards the farming community. The show began airing in 2010. A backlash from farmers was predicted at the time by members of the Crop Circle Connector forum and was of course ignored.
The following video was shot inside a circle in the field below Milk Hill in 2012 (see second photograph above), another area where circles have been appearing in abundance for decades without being cut. So why is the farmer cutting?
The audio on this video isn’t the best. If you can’t make out his words, here’s what he says:
“I’ve just seen shitty things what Matt Williams and Terry and all them dickheads who make them…. Coming back, you know that one we had a few years ago, and they’d do a bit one night then they’d come back and do a bit more. I caught them with my own eyes, I caught them making a crop circle on our field. And that’s what I don’t want. And I know that if I cut their crop circles out they won’t come back and do another one… I cannot understand how much they wind me up. And they’ll sit and they smirk just smirk at me… I hate them.”
So there you have it. Why are farmers cutting circles? Because they’ve had enough, because of piss-taking circle makers, and because of Matthew Williams. No mention of Monique Klinkenbergh, except in positive terms.
Look, RACCF. Look, Matt. Your allegations are utterly bogus. The farmers have said so. Stop pointing the finger elsewhere, grow a pair, and face up to it.
Crop circle Facebook pages come and go. The latest, the ironically named ‘Crop Circles The People The Mystery The Truth’, is perhaps the nastiest yet.
Where do we start? The page’s ‘Mission Statement’ is a good place –
‘Allow me to step into a quick introduction of what I used to do and why have I taken upon myself to combat pathetic battles within the crop circle community .I am a retired **** pilot who has seen a great deal in this life of mine. I now work on demand with a security firm which takes me away to many interesting places which allows me to integrate with people from all wal…ks of life.
During my time in the forces, there was one particular niggle which used to send my blood pressure through the roof and that’s ‘ BULLIES ‘. Thankfully and in most cases issues were solved before escalation reached uncontrollable levels. In plain words I simply hate bullies.
In my spare time, which I have considerable more than I would like these days, I surf crop circle pages to catch up on the latest gossip and news. Why ? . That will be answered in time to come so make sure you pop back now and again .
In the last few days I received an invite to a new crop circle page which I declined . What I saw at first was OK and fair enough until few days later a post popped up which instantly sent me back to what I experienced in the forces.
So what I intend to do, which I will do fairly and squarely, is to explore each individual within the crop circle community. I will give credit where its due, I will be critical, I will advise where I can, I will provide a fair assessment of what I think of you but be prepared to be torn apart if you cross the line . Got it ? Good!’ [sic. throughout].
This is – to be frank – bullshit, as is the claim that ‘Contrary to belief , there is a misconception in thinking that this page has anything to do with other crop circle pages … Whatever you are thinking , you are 100% wrong . We are a small independent group who’s wishes are to put the record straight where we possibly can.’ [sic. throughout]. Reading these statements, one might reasonably ask which individual or individuals consider themselves qualified to make such assessments, indeed to ‘give advice’ as to where every single person in the crop circle community has gone wrong. Their identity isn’t hard to deduce, and most certainly is not a retired pilot.
It has been blatant from the start this page is an off-shoot of the Report A Crop Circle Formation page. As has been noted by others on the page, one giveaway is the unique linquistic style of the posts, one shared by RACCF’s administrators. Does this matter? Since a page that claims to tell only the truth is clearly founded on untruths, yes.
So which crop circle personalities have been assessed thus far? Here is a sampling:
The ‘completely naive’ Francine Blake:
The ‘bully’ Charles Mallett:
The ‘victim of deception’ Winston Keech:
Gary King – also ‘naive’:
The ‘nauseating’ Suzanne Taylor:
The ‘victim of abuse’ Matthew Williams (a particularly hilarious claim given Williams’ approach to crop circle ‘research’ over the years, which – as anybody who has watched his YouTube channel will know – consists chiefly of expletive-heavy attacks and vitriol aimed at anybody who doesn’t share his opinions):
This post is now getting rather lengthy, so I’ll split my next few observations into separate posts. There is also = in my view – a much bigger issue underlying all of this, which I also intend to highlight in due course.
“Sadly it has come to this”? Are you honestly surprised? When certain circlemakers boast about which circles they’ve made on internet TV and elsewhere, insulting the farmers while drinking in the same pubs as them, and making it blatant exactly what they do? The farmers aren’t the idiots they’re painted to be. They know exactly who these people are, what they do, and they’re sick of being taken the piss out of. They’ve said many times they’ll cut any circles that appear, and now they’re holding good on that threat.